Curse

undeadgun · Sep 12, 2007, 11:28 PM // 23:28

do i need an valid argument when i already know he is wrong?

..L.. · Sep 12, 2007, 11:30 PM // 23:30

Yes you do if you wish to bring a proper defence.

undeadgun · Sep 12, 2007, 11:33 PM // 23:33

u still dont get it do u? they are playing the game instead of getting banned, enough evidence for u sir????

KiRi · Sep 12, 2007, 11:35 PM // 23:35

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Originally Posted by undeadgun

u still dont get it do u? they are playing the game instead of getting banned, enough evidence for u sir????

That hardly counts...
are you saying all those ebayers/bots on GW right now that aren't banned aren't cheating?
So you're innocent until caught.

..L.. · Sep 12, 2007, 11:35 PM // 23:35

That made no sense at all you might aswell said nothing.

6am3 Fana71c · Sep 12, 2007, 11:36 PM // 23:36

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Originally Posted by The Herbalizer

im reporting so this can get closed.

1) I don't want to send any reports, and I would appreciate if you would do the same. If I wanted to report them, I would do so allready.
2) I don't see why this thread needs to be closed. I am not trying to get those people banned. I simply asked a question: Are dupers still among us? People in original post are just example. Nothing personal.

..L.. · Sep 12, 2007, 11:38 PM // 23:38

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Originally Posted by 6am3 Fana71c

1) I don't want to send any reports, and I would appreciate if you would do the same. If I wanted to report them, I would do so allready.
2) I don't see why this thread needs to be closed. I am not trying to get those people banned. I simply asked a question: Are dupers still among us? People in original post are just example. Nothing personal.

The person reporting is a admin or something anyway hes a friend of the ones that feel accused and tries to end a nonexisting accusation by reporting it.

undeadgun · Sep 12, 2007, 11:42 PM // 23:42

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Originally Posted by KiRi

That hardly counts...
are you saying all those ebayers/bots on GW right now that aren't banned aren't cheating?
So you're innocent until caught.

oh my bad, so lets please start a /fail anet thread?

KiRi · Sep 12, 2007, 11:44 PM // 23:44

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Originally Posted by undeadgun

oh my bad, so lets please start a /fail anet thread?

I'm sorry...i have no clue what that was supposed to mean in relations to this thread.

The Herbalizer · Sep 12, 2007, 11:46 PM // 23:46

Okay.

So the OP asks if there are still dupers based on his experience.

It has been proven that the people involved with the OP are innocent. Proved by Anet too by the way.

So the discussion moves on to whether dupers are still out there.

As there is no proof whatsoever I think the topic is over really.

This thread is not going anywhere.

Unless I am totally missing something.

Seraphic Divinity · Sep 12, 2007, 11:47 PM // 23:47

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Originally Posted by 6am3 Fana71c

1) I don't want to send any reports, and I would appreciate if you would do the same. If I wanted to report them, I would do so allready.
2) I don't see why this thread needs to be closed. I am not trying to get those people banned. I simply asked a question: Are dupers still among us? People in original post are just example. Nothing personal.

ROFL, I love the rainbow of ignorant nubs who have gone off topic.
I added all suspects that were known dupers to my friends list, including about 10+ people who offered 1000+ectos for my lightning, and none have been banned. They -all- disappeared for like a week, and they're all back.

..L.. · Sep 12, 2007, 11:48 PM // 23:48

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Originally Posted by The Herbalizer

Okay.

So the OP asks if there are still dupers based on his experience.

It has been proven that the people involved with the OP are innocent. Proved by Anet too by the way.

So the discussion moves on to whether dupers are still out there.

As there is no proof whatsoever I think the topic is over really.

Unless I am totally missing something.

You just missed the little part were you and anet proved they were innocent thats all.

KiRi · Sep 12, 2007, 11:48 PM // 23:48

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Originally Posted by The Herbalizer

Okay.

So the OP asks if there are still dupers based on his experience.

It has been proven that the people involved with the OP are innocent. Proved by Anet too by the way.

So the discussion moves on to whether dupers are still out there.

As there is no proof whatsoever I think the topic is over really.

This thread is not going anywhere.

Unless I am totally missing something.

Which you are because you're still in the mind set of defending your friends.
Theres no proof dupers aren't out there, hence the thread to post info about it.

The Herbalizer · Sep 12, 2007, 11:50 PM // 23:50

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Originally Posted by ..L..

You just missed the little part were you and anet proved they were innocent thats all.

Maybe Anet banning them then unbanning them. Then banning them then unbanning them.

Surely after all those bans Anet could decide whether or not they are innocent.

We were all talking about the trade in question before all this duping stuff became known and noone suspected duping, noone.

People are asking for proof. Well where is your proof? There is none. Innocent until proven guilty.

I could throw out the accusation that XXX member dupes. It would be down to me to prove it. Not down to the accussed to prove otherwise.

Ive most probably got screens of all the talk regarding the trade like 2 weeks before duping became known and noone knew about it.

Chaos Theory Pvp · Sep 12, 2007, 11:52 PM // 23:52

The OP uploads players characters with a panda.., why didn't you just put the names in the freakin header DOH... Jeez is this still open... should be wiped Imho.

Seraphic Divinity · Sep 12, 2007, 11:56 PM // 23:56

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Originally Posted by The Herbalizer

Maybe Anet banning them then unbanning them. Then banning them then unbanning them.

Surely after all those bans Anet could decide whether or not they are innocent.

We were all talking about the trade in question before all this duping stuff became known and noone suspected duping, noone.

People are asking for proof. Well where is your proof? There is none. Innocent until proven guilty.

rofl, I love how you're using criminal U.S. law as a source of their innocence. I'm not accusing anyone, but there's something called the ToS which is NOT 'innocent until provent guilty' but rather something like... 'guilty if we think you are (~Anet)'

plus your whole innocent until proven guilty would only be slightly valid if they play on U.S. servers :O seeing as how most dupers can hardly speak english... :O

The Herbalizer · Sep 13, 2007, 12:01 AM // 00:01

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Originally Posted by Seraphic Divinity

rofl, I love how you're using criminal U.S. law as a source of their innocence. I'm not accusing anyone, but there's something called the ToS which is NOT 'innocent until provent guilty' but rather something like... 'guilty if we think you are (~Anet)'

plus your whole innocent until proven guilty would only be slightly valid if they play on U.S. servers :O seeing as how most dupers can hardly speak english... :O

Anet surely must have made their mind up after all that. They finally got their accounts back and I am sure they were thoroughly investigated.

There can really be no more discussion regarding them when Anet have decided that they are innocent.

Anet can view chat logs, trades etc. Anet would tell if they broke EULA and as they have been unbanned they obviously have not.

..L.. · Sep 13, 2007, 12:01 AM // 00:01

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Originally Posted by The Herbalizer

Maybe Anet banning them then unbanning them. Then banning them then unbanning them.

Surely after all those bans Anet could decide whether or not they are innocent.

We were all talking about the trade in question before all this duping stuff became known and noone suspected duping, noone.

People are asking for proof. Well where is your proof? There is none. Innocent until proven guilty.

I could throw out the accusation that XXX member dupes. It would be down to me to prove it. Not down to the accussed to prove otherwise.

Ive most probably got screens of all the talk regarding the trade like 2 weeks before duping became known and noone knew about it.

All that your saying is very true but in the very first post he did not accuse anyone, they just entered the thread about duping claiming to be accused of duping so far there is no proof of banning or unbanning except if writing it down is proof enough.

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I could throw out the accusation that XXX member dupes. It would be down to me to prove it. Not down to the accussed to prove otherwise.

True but thats not the case here. An example is made, people feel accused and demand proof for a nonexisting accusation, wich is suspisious enough to desire proof of innocence.

Corwin_Andros · Sep 13, 2007, 12:03 AM // 00:03

I think the funniest part of this whole debacle of a thread, is that the OP showed two screenies, with NO names.. mentioned NO names in his posts at all and, was basically asking a question based on what he witnessed ingame.

Then the fun started, with people falling all over themselves defending these two anonymous characters. They, not the OP, started mentioning names, lambasting the OP for even posing the question in the first place, and generally drawing so much more attention to the thread.

In their rush to defend these people who, basically no one but themselves, even seemed to care about the identities of, the defenders made this thread into the flamefest that it turned into.

Simply Amazing

Seraphic Divinity · Sep 13, 2007, 12:03 AM // 00:03

Ok, the fact remains, we fail to see anyone actually banned for duping, therefore the answer to this thread would be Dupers are STILL among us...

meaning this thread is VALID, unless you can prove they are not among us :O

gg, and stay on topic lest you be reported for trolling in a valid thread.